British Junior Open Squash - Please take a look

[Arteyu]

I've expanded the BJO page on Wikipedia over here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Junior_Open_Squash but some info were still missing. I would like to know the 1995 girls U-16 and U-19 winner, 1983 girls U-16 winner, the full name and nationality of some winners (S Cummings, S Burgess, C Martini and A Ahmed). I would also welcome someone to expand the lead of the page. There aren't many squash contributor on wikipedia but there were dozens of squash articles need to be upgraded heavily and need to be created. Wikipedia is the most popular hub for information and there are millions of visitors everyday. Please help to expand the squash articles, your contributions are very much needed for the sport to delevop.

[ianball]

I've never really though of Wikipedia for info on squash, squashsite tends to have everything.

[Arteyu]

No, not really, I wouldn't be asking for information over here in this forum if squashsite has provided the info that i'm looking for. To be honest, squashsite has everything about squash in the 2000s, but I couldn't find any for major tournament in the 80s and 90s. I'm not asking for the score or for a detail tournament coverage, just asking for a basic info, the name of the winner and his/her nationality. So, please I really need the infos + if anyone know anything about the US Junior Open and the info as requested above please post it here, I would also want to know the past winners for the US tournament since 2000. Thank you in advance to whomever are willing to help.

[boastnick]

Looks good, we need more information like this that is easy to find (not stuck away in the bowels of a complicated menu system) or even there at all!

I'd also like to see the winners of the British Amateur championship available and also each of the county champions, as well as the full draws of the British Open going back. It's squash heritage and it should be online.

[Arteyu]

Created the World Junior Squash Championships page, please have a good look at it. Thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Juni ... mpionships

[Squashdad]

Hi not got time to look at the page at the moment but can answer a couple of your questions.
S Burgess is Suzanne Burgess of Yorkshire who later became Suzanne Horner a top lady player world ranked in top few.
C Martini is a german boy, first name Carol ( not sure of spelling but definitely a boy not girl!) became a top German international.

[Arteyu]

Thank you very much Squashdad! You're really awesome!

[Squashdad]

I've been giving this some thought and think I can help with the other missing info.
I think the S Cummings you refer to must be A Cummings not S. This would then make sense as it would be Alison Cummings of Surrey who went on later to represent England at senior level.
Ali Ahmed of Pakistan won the Boys U16 in 1982.
The 1995 winners were U19 Jade Wilson of NZ who died tragically very young. The U16 winner that year was Tania Bailey !

[Crusher]

I've never really though of Wikipedia for info on squash, squashsite tends to have everything.

There's quite a lot of good squash info on there. I remember looking at it years ago...

But not all of it is credible... for example a league buddy of mine has a page on there about himself and lists himself as a world-class professional squash player with an asterisk* beside his name which then says later on- *(player's world encompasses solely that existing in said player's mind and actual reality is not taken into account.)

[Arteyu]

Thank you very much for the info Squashdad! I really really apppreciate your effort! Only one info still missing, the 1983 U16 women's champ, I'll try to get it completed, thanks a lot really!

I don't know why people keep thinking that Wikipedia is unreliable and Crusher, i don't think that your buddy can have an article on wikipedia, he/she might an article years ago when wikipedia is still developing, but not now. There are many rules for articles inclusion on Wikipedia and every new articles and unsourced articles are checked each seconds and if there are vandalism, it will be reverted in just seconds using a special software. Users who did vandalism for 5 times in a row will be blocked for a week and if he/she did it again after the block has been uplifted, he/she will then be blocked indefinitely.

Creating squash articles on wikipedia will help to promote the sport since wikipedia is visited by millions of people everyday and it is ranked 6th in the most visited website ranking behind Google, Yahoo, Facebook, MSN and Youtube, you can view it from here http://www.alexa.com/topsites . As you guys always say, "Every publicity is good publicity" and from the quote, I've been thinking that wikipedia is the right place to make publicity since its free, and if you search on search engines on any articles, wikipedia page will be on the very top. My idea is to get at least a squash article to the wikipedia mainpage because usually article that made it to the mainpage will get at least 50,000 page hit but the article must be super duper reliable. To date, none of the squash article made it to the mainpage (but I'll try my best to at least get one to be promoted to the did you know section), and none got an A, GA (Good Article) and FA (Featured Article) rating. The best squash article (Nicol David article) only gets a B although there are 105 references and 6 non-copyrighted images on the article itself! Squash also have a wikiproject over there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Squash but to date there are only 6 participants and it is in dire state! We need help guys. You guys can start your contributions by expanding the sport page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_%28sport%29 . Come on. It is not for me, it is for the sport, this is one out of the little ways to help promote the sport.

You guys who thinks that wikipedia is unreliable please take a good look at this video. You will get the clearer idea of what Wikipedia is and what is it for. Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8otRh1QPc

[Squashdad]

Well i do know the answer to that one as 1983 was the year Lucy Soutter did the amazing double winning the girls U19 and U16 !!
She also won the U16s in1981 and 1982 and the U19 again in 1984. What a great player Lucy was.
Interesting that a 15 year old could win the U19s in the girls, very much like Nour el sherbini today although she was 13 when won the world U19!

[Crusher]

You guys who thinks that wikipedia is unreliable please take a good look at this video. You will get the clearer idea of what Wikipedia is and what is it for. Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8otRh1QPc

That video link about Wikipedia explains exactly and clearly why it is an unreliable source of information.

Universities discourage their students from using it and I even had one professor forbid us from using it while most just discouraged us not too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yKNJCTck4&NR=1

[Arteyu]

Well i do know the answer to that one as 1983 was the year Lucy Soutter did the amazing double winning the girls U19 and U16 !!
She also won the U16s in1981 and 1982 and the U19 again in 1984. What a great player Lucy was.
Interesting that a 15 year old could win the U19s in the girls, very much like Nour el sherbini today although she was 13 when won the world U19!

Wow! Thank you Squashdad! You're really a pal! Because of you the tables are now complete! Good job! You are an awesome squash fan!

Universities discourage their students from using it and I even had one professor forbid us from using it while most just discouraged us not too.

Researchers found that Wikipedia reliability is just 0.5 percent lower than britannica and that is mostly because of the huge quantity of articles. Yeah, you're right, professors and lecturers forbids their student from using the information in the wikipedia, but people must know that they did that not because of wikipeida reliability, it is because they doubt that the articles in wikipedia is written by experts.

[Cathbach]

Superb

[Crusher]

Well i do know the answer to that one as 1983 was the year Lucy Soutter did the amazing double winning the girls U19 and U16 !!
She also won the U16s in1981 and 1982 and the U19 again in 1984. What a great player Lucy was.
Interesting that a 15 year old could win the U19s in the girls, very much like Nour el sherbini today although she was 13 when won the world U19!

Wow! Thank you Squashdad! You're really a pal! Because of you the tables are now complete! Good job! You are an awesome squash fan!

Universities discourage their students from using it and I even had one professor forbid us from using it while most just discouraged us not too.

Researchers found that Wikipedia reliability is just 0.5 percent lower than britannica and that is mostly because of the huge quantity of articles. Yeah, you're right, professors and lecturers forbids their student from using the information in the wikipedia, but people must know that they did that not because of wikipeida reliability, it is because they doubt that the articles in wikipedia is written by experts.

The incredibility of Wikipedia can't be argued. It's great and useful for what it is but it can't be used as a serious source of information. The system that information is added is enough for me to look elsewhere but the fact that I personally know of untouched incredulous information on there is enough for me.

The system is flawed, anyone can add to Wikipedia, why do you believe its great?

" but people must know that they did that not because of wikipeida reliability, it is because they doubt that the articles in wikipedia is written by experts"... well then... its hard to argue further without being cruel...

[Arteyu]

Oh well, I don't want to argue about this anymore. Everybody has their own opinion. Flawed or not, Wikipedia is now the most popular information hub in the net. Squash may find a bit publicity over there if we could start to contribute articles. "Every publicity is good publicity" for the sport. Cheers!

[Crusher]

Well, yeah.. and thanks for updating the squash on there!

[Arteyu]

Well yeah thanks. No problem mate

[paul8241]

The biggest problem with Wikipedia is accurate sources. The squash think tank on here is a pretty good source, and the peer review from a lot of fans and former officials makes the squash section likely to be very reliable. Really good work Arteyu

[Arteyu]

Thank you so much Paul For your information, I've just done doing rivalry page between Natalie and Nicol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol%E2%8 ... am_rivalry I'm thinking of doing Nicol-Rachel Grinham & Jahangir-Jansher too but the problem is I couldn't find any reliable source to do it, and also I don't have much time. I'm now trying my best to get this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol_David into the GA (Good Article) category (a category only for very reliable article). Hmm, do you guys have any picture of squash players taken by yourself? I suggest that you guys upload it on flickr and licensed it under CC-BY-SA or just CC-BY, so that I can put it on wikipedia pages since very little squash articles have pictures (Just imagine thousands of people viewing the pictures you have captured and it shows up on the 1st page of google search!).There's no way that I can put any copyrighted image from squashsite on wiki since the rules is very very strict. I'd also really love to see Steve release some of squashsite images under the GFDL license or CC-BY for me to upload it on wiki. I would be very pleased if you could do that Steve. XD

If you guys want to suggest any article for inclusion in wikipedia, please just tell me and I will try my best to do it. But please provide reliable sources.

[stevecubs]

I don't understand what you mean by releasing pictures under the GFDL license or CC-BY licences.

As far as I'm concerned you can use any of the photos on our picasa galleries. If there's a way I can make those available, short of reuploading them all, I'll have a look at it ...

[Arteyu]

Ohh, you may view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... _enquiries Steve. Please read the page thoroughly and then you will need to send email to the OTRS team to one of the email as stated on the page but please choose permissions-commons@wikimedia.org as the image would be available to all wikipedia languages then. I really recommend you to license it under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0.

Below is what you should write on the email as per the url provided above.

I hereby affirm that [CHOOSE ONE: I, (name here) am OR (copyright holder's name) is] the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of [DESCRIBE WORK HERE] (specifically describe the work to be released in detail, attach the work to be released to the email or give the online URL of the work in question).

I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0".

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

[SENDER'S NAME AND DETAILS] (to allow future verification of authenticity)
[SENDER'S AUTHORITY] (Are you the copyright-holder, director, appointed representative of, etc.)
[DATE]

The second way is to upload the image that you own and licencense it under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA on flickr. To add a license for a specific picture, click the "Change" link next to your current photo license (usually set to "All rights reserved") near the bottom of your photo page. On the Privacy and Permissions settings page, click the "Add a license to your photo" link on the right side of the page, near the bottom. On the next page, select one of the Creative Commons licenses.

The third way is a a little bit tougher, you need to create your own wikipedia account but will have to wait until 4 days after registration to be available to upload it. But, the image must be yours and you must also release it under certain licenses. But I would recommend you to use the first method as it is the easiest, it just need you to send some couple of emails.

I'm very glad that you are willing to make those available on wikipedia steve. Big thanks tou you!

[stevecubs]

mmm, there's a bit of a difference though between making pics available to wikipedia and saying

"I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs"
and
"I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement"

not that I'm in the business of selling photos, but that seems a bit too open for my liking ...

[mike_h]

CC Licenses are not perfect. I vaguely remember reading some controversy recently where people had licensed work under CC without fully understanding the implications. They might have had casual re-posting with attribution in mind, but gave away commercial usage rights permanently. I'm not familiar with Wikipedia's requirements, but I believe CC can be a blunt tool, particularly when the 'presets' are used.

[Arteyu]

Yeah, wikipedia is a bit hard on copyrights. Hmm, maybe you would want to upload some image on flickr instead steve? Maybe just upload the images you dislikes most? You might have 100 of Nick Matthew images but I just need one or two for wikipedia usage. You might want to upload and CC license the "junk" one instead? I dont really care whether the picture look good or not, I just want people not to only know who is nick matthew, but also to recognize his face. Well it is also a way to gain publicity though. Perhaps I could also have a picture of you and upload it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squashsite this article so that people would know who is the mysterious Steve Cubbins? XD I really need them badly especially the pictures of McKay, Peter Nicol, Sarah Fitz, the Grinham sisters and the Khans. I would really be glad if you can do that.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... d_Khai.jpg This is an example of Nicol David image uploaded on Flickr; in this case the author Kamalsell uploaded it on flickr under the CC-BY license. You could also do the same, upload and license any of your own picture under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. The rest I will do for you (upload again on Wikipedia, placed it on articles). Any squash fans are also encouraged to uploads theirs on flickr. Images other than squash players are also encouraged for example image of you while doing a volley, or maybe image of you doing a nick shot, image of green squash ball, anything. The squash sport main article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_%28sport%29 are also lacking of images on some sections like playing equipment, basic rules and gameplay etc. But dont forget to tell me that you've uploaded it on flickr and licensed it under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA so that I can reupload it on wiki and put it on appropriate articles.

[stevecubs]

okeydoke, I'll start a squashsite flickr page and put a selection on there. after that just let me know when you need any others ...

[stevecubs]

Does this work ? I chose what looked like the most liberal option ...

www.flickr.com/photos/stevecubbins

[Arteyu]

I must say that you're awesome Steve. Wow! Thank you very much! I have already uploaded an image of Matthew on wikipedia, and this is how it looks like now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Matthew & here is the image URL http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... d_Prix.jpg Ohh the page looks awesome now with Matthew picture on it! Steve, maybe you could put the name of the player as title on each upload like this one; http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevecubbins/4443340137/ you could change "09 Qatar D7 208" to "Nick Matthew" so that users would be able to search for it on the flickr commons site http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons Anyway, a very nice job Steve!

I Arteyu, hereby award you the original barnstar for helping me to improve the squash articles on Wikipedia. This barnstar, the first on Wikipedia, is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated.


Nice job done steve! I'm looking forward to your next uploads.

[Arteyu]

Hey Steve, hoped that you can upload the other photos very soon

[stevecubs]

Phase two, I uploaded a selection of the top women ... more to come

[Arteyu]

Thank you Steve! But you forgot something; to change the license of the new images to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA

[stevecubs]

These are the choices I seem to have ... I set them all to the bottom one, let me know if there's a better one !

[stevecubs]

It would be much easier if I could just send a letter to someone saying "I give you permission to use any photos on squashsite's picasa galleries on wikipedia pages" !!!

[Arteyu]

Sorry for all the problems steve. But I think you chose the wrong license. You could only choose between "Attribution-Share Alike Creative Commons (CC-BY-SA)" or " Attribution Creative Commons (CC-BY)". The others is not acceptable on wikipedia. I think this is the easiest way to do it steve, if I have some easier way, I would have told you earlier. I'll try to ask any other better solution from the other wikipedians. Sorry for all the problems Steve. Sorry again.

[Arteyu]

Thank you Steve for making the changes.

[Arteyu]

Heya Steve, I really need Peter Nicol, Shabana/Ashour and Jahangir/Jansher image very badly since their biography article is quite lengthy and considering their high daily page view. Ohh, and you also miss out Rachael Grinham in the your Top Women's player upload recently.